Note 1: I borrowed very heavily from other sources for this writeup. I know this is technically plagiarism, but I no longer have my original sources. Sorry!
Note 2: This conjunction also involves my Lilith, which helps a bit.
Neptune conjunct the Descendant is a loaded position, offering profound gifts along side of tragic difficulty. The 7th house is one of the most likely houses from which to project planetary energies and Neptune, a transpersonal planet, is not easily welcomed into one's personal repertoire. The result is that Neptune on the descendant is most often not expressed personally but, at least initially, through projection onto another. The most likely "other" is the romantic partner, as the 7th house rules relationships. The 'worse' definitely includes the aforementioned projection and also a host of lofty, nearly impossible to meet romantic expectations.
Neptune/Descendant see herself as the heroine of her life, which she regards as a movie or fairy tale, defining herself through dramatic events. It is very hard for her to see herself clearly or perceive what it is she truly means to others. Particularly in youth, the ordinary roles of child, student, mate, etc. are dull to the Neptune/Descendant native. She will seek to spice them up with other considerations and, as a result, makes her life (and the lives of her friends, family and lovers) chaotic. She's attracted exclusively to those who inspire her romantic fantasies and is rarely practical about her relationships, preferring the excitement of fantasy to more pragmatic concerns. Her romantic cravings often involve her in peculiar emotional and/or sexual situations from which she may find it very hard to extricate herself.
On the positive side, Neptune conjunct Descendant is a highly artistic placement, especially positive if she is paired with an equally as creative partner, and particularly if they can share this without letting competitiveness spoil it. If the Neptune/Descendant individual's expectation of perfect beauty is met this way, through shared aesthetics and creation, it may undermine many of the more negative implications of this placement.
Neptune conjunct Descendant is also an excellent combination for counseling potential. They are capable of being so intimately attuned to others on a deeply emotional level that they may seem slightly psychic. There is an inherent talent for psychological studies and for drawing innermost thoughts and feelings from others. It is often quite natural for a person with this placement to exist completely inside of emotional intimacy, regarding it as their default way of being. In many cases, Neptune/Descendant expresses itself as an unnaturally strong valuation of probing and affectionate relationships, and the individual will feel compelled to create such relationships often in varying forms. Any partner will therefore need to acknowledge that this relationship forming is a vitally important part of the Neptune/Descendant individual's life, and internalize that this compulsion toward emotional intimacy with others is not a threat to the relationship. If this level of understanding is achieved along side of a shared creativity, it's quite possible the relationship will be truly idyllic in the way Neptune/Descendant dreams.
Being so prone to projection, however, the negative possibilities for Neptune/Descendant are many. Most obvious is the expectation that she must find a perfect mate; a fairytale prince who will rescue her from her own fog so that she may live happily ever after. Neptune loves a good rescue-- almost as much as she loves a good fantasy. If the aspected individual is fortunate, Neptune/Descendant can show itself as simply a very romantic undertone to the personality, with a deep and abiding trust in the power of love. However, there is a danger that it may develop into an expectation that the mate must fulfill all of the individual's deepest needs, provide unconditional love and support under all circumstances, and also be charming and lovely at the same time. This blind expectation that their partner be the embodiment of all that is beautiful and delightful in the world is damaging to all involved.
The strange truth of heavily Neptunian partners is that they are often amazingly noble and forgiving where major incidents (which typically break up other partnerships & marriages) are concerned, yet are unable to tolerate day-to-day differences and disappointments with any degree of grace. Some Neptune/Descendant partners, consumed by their desire to have a perfect union, will manage to maintain the illusion of the perfect partner in the face of an astounding amount of evidence to the contrary. They will overlook ignorant behavior, make excuses for immaturity, protect a weak mate, and generally do whatever is necessary to protect their fantasy. This is only exacerbated by the Neptunian gift of always seeing the best in others. The Neptune/Descendant individual who is protecting such an illusion will not give it up until she is ready to do so on her own, responding defensively to any suggestion from others that her partner may not be who she insists s/he is. Usually the mate's behavior must clash violently with another, more highly cherished value before the Neptune/Descendant individual even begins to see a problem.
It's important to mention that the Neptune/Descendant person, in facing the crumbling of her illusion, suffers a pain that is so deeply psychological it can be crippling. It is so painful, in fact, that it can only be survived if the native is able to accept fully that she built the illusion herself, in her own mind, and that her partner was never who she believed him or her to be. Otherwise she is likely to feel so deeply betrayed that her interaction with the world around her changes so gravely that she may dissociate from it entirely. If the illusion can be seen as a personally constructed lie to the self, the Neptune/Descendant individual can then grieve for the lost dream, rage at the unfairness of it all, and eventually let go of it. Depending on the level of expectation invested in the relationship to being with, however, this process can take years.
One constructive choice for the Neptune/Descendant individual who simply cannot give up on this need for a perfect partner/perfect devotion/perfect union etc, is devotion to the ultimate partner: God. This can be achieved through the ministry, priesthood/sisterhood, or through missionary service. It is a choice which needs to be carefully considered, however, for it is all too easy for Neptune/Descendant natives to be overwhelmingly drawn to such a life without consideration of it's profound sacrifices. Some find that an unimaginable weight is lifted from their shoulders by devotion to a life of service as they find they are truly fulfilled through it- often for the first time in their lives. Others are so overcome by their connection to otherworldly perfection that they are even less able to accept human fallability.
If the Neptune conjunct Descendant native has a strongly cardinal or fire element dominated chart (this is true of me in general, but also my Neptune/Descendant conjunction is in Sagittarius), she will typically adopt the savior role and find herself involved with tragic figures. This is a semiconscious procedure; few people deliberately saddle themselves with such a frustrating burden. The native falls in love with someone she truly feels she can help, someone who just needs a little propping up here and there in order to be ideal. Only when the illusion begins to crack does she see that her partners often do not wish to be saved, and are in the state they're in because of their refusal to help themselves. The native inevitably becomes the target of her lover's anger and frustration. They expect loving gratitude but generally end up with their mate's misplaced fury instead, as they lash out in fear at the Neptune/Descendant native who is "forcing" them to change. As a direct result of her choice of partner, the aspected individual will be continually punished, verbally attacked and emotionally blackmailed, when all she offered was loving help. If her misguided fantasy is not realized for what it is, under the burden of relationships with such victims the potential savior eventually becomes a martyr-- loving and supporting thanklessly until she is run into the ground and destroyed.
In order to make the most of this complex placement, Neptune/Descendant will need to first become fully conscious of her propensity toward illusion regarding her romantic partnerships. She will need to force herself to be constantly alert for the appearance of savior/victim games in her close relationships, games which can lead to abuse and an unimaginable kind of hell. She will need to take responsibility for her own spiritual and creative needs, and take steps to express them for herself (rather than using her partners to create the experience for her). This placement offers tremendous gifts; a rare talent for intimacy, a nearly psychic perception, and deep insight into the emotional realm. This insight, however, includes the ability to fully fathom the pain of others, a gift she must keep watch carefully so that it does not overwhelm her.
Saturday, May 23, 2009
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Hi,
I stumbled across your blog last year when I was trying to understand my chart. I was born April 20th 1982 so we have the exact same chart except for our moon, mine is in Pisces. Your site has been incredibly helpful to me, there is information here that I never knew about. I'm wondering why you stopped writing because I really loved finding out more about myself indirectly and you provided information that I alone would not have found. I think it will be awesome to read more or keep in touch to see how the transits affect us. 2009 was insane for me and now with the Saturn return I feel as if I need to let go off the past and redefine myself all over again especially in regards to my relationships and setting time for myself and hobbies. Is the same happening to yourself? My email's honeypoopy@hotmail.com. It'll be great to hear from you :)
Adeline
great article, I'm just entering a 2 year perion of Neptune conjunction Descendant and will work on a book Six degrees of transparency - this is re business, relationships, commom purpose, beyond winning, etc. I think this energy is perfect fot his job. And there is this beautiful lawyer/woman.....I'm so gald about your warning of unconscious projections...thanks Robert
Hello. Nice article...
I do not think the illusions are limited to romantic relationships. I know a young woman with Neptune on Descending who is disillusioned about herself. She denies being capable of any negative human emotions, although she expresses it very obviously. She was always worried that some lady was after her boyfriend and thinner women received draining, negative vibes from her, but she's "not a jealous person".
Very exhausting...
I also have Neptune conjuct with the Descendant in Sagittarius, I am astonished how well your text describes me. Thank you so much.
Hi
I have Neptune on Descendant as well, and i find this article so accurate!!
As a child i had invisible friend for a years, and as a grown person so many illusions regarding romantic partners... I heard that Liz Green wrote some great book about Neptune - with special attention on Neptune conjunct Ascendant and Descendant...
great. right on! thanks for posting this
Amazing and profound knowledge!
I read it in 4am in the morning, it is like an earthquake!
Thank you very much!
Forecasts are forbidden when you are member of an association of astrologers. It"s an occult area. Thats very dangerous to work with. Lizz Greene is swindling with characteristics. It"s often doom and gloom. With you should this and you should be doing that. It"s somewhat demanding. Without personal interest, impersonal and uninvolved. Selfcentered. It"s for the great mass, The big audience. Impersonal and meaningless and nothingsaying. Petty bourgeois and fussy. It"s unclear described, and vague, very mysterious. It"s superficial when it"s written for the big mass. Strivingf or power over people.Without personal interest. Robert hand is like a parrot with his statement slogan inner growth, inner growth. And every time he says the same like a parrot.
brilliant description of Neptune/descendant , i have it at '20 degrees Sagittarius
it certainly doesn't end at romantic relationships because Neptune opposes the ascendant it affects our perception of the whole world and everyone in it and it affects the others perception of the neptune/descendat person ...and it is usually a false one
for me i have found i have been subject to false gossips and all sorts of other false notions.
I'm cursed with this placement. It also trines my Sun/Venus/Jupiter stellium in Leo (4th house). I'am so idealistic when it comes to falling in love that I'm almost addicted to it (also see: moon/mars conjunct cancer 1st house..but gemini rising). I end up falling into daydream land (neptune) and then it all comes crashing down when I realize it was all false hopes. When I'm in love, I'm a true pleasure to be around. When I'm not, I'm sulky and needy. Every female then becomes a daydream of "what if's and oh wouldn't it be nice..."'s . It's truly a torturous aspect to have.
On the plus side, I'm an artist and a musician, and it helps a lot with that. My creativity flows, and naturally , it flows even more freely when I'm falling in love and/or are in love with someone. So it's energized by how I feel about things, I guess you could say.
Thank you for the article, it was shocking how much of this is "me to the T".
eric
Wowsa! I randomly decided to look at this aspect of my chart. I hadn't really considered it much overall but this is interesting stuff, thank you. I'm Neptune conjunct DC in the 7th in Scorpio but the house is intercepted to Saggi .. aye ouch :)
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Great interpretation of this aspect which I have exact at 2 degrees Scorpio squaring my moon at 2 Aquarius and with a loose conjunction to my Libran north node
This is so helpful for me right now! I was dumped by a Nept Desc he recently. Will come back to reread a couple of times... now that I'm divorced a single mom for the sake of his precious fantasy... Once reality kicked in he was no longer interested.... Four years of "please make it so that this love may exist". Now that we're here he is disenchanted. He found poetry, I'm here stuck with nothing.
This is so good! I really am a drama queen. Neptune is exactly on my dc, and makes a tight trine to Mars. My spouse and I met in art school.
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